15 responses

  1. Dan
    20/06/2012

    They need to add online shops to foreigners can buy their jerseys.

  2. Arxtor
    20/06/2012

    Nearly no football clubs in the world have a positive balance sheet ; so how come chinese football could…
    Clubs can generate money though , and there are many more things to do. Online shops as Dan says is 1 idea ; at least so people have more ideas to where they can buy a genuine jersey of chinese teams (and not fakes). It’s amazing that in Shanghai for example I could only find 2 shops at the Hongkou Stadium who sell genuine Shenhua jerseys…

    One thing I have heard ; in China (well in Shanghai at least , I don’t know for sure elsewhere) the Stadiums are the municipality’s property; so no money coming from the seats sales goes into the Clubs pokets. Only sponsors, publicity, the private boxes sold to rich individuals or companies, etc… generate revenues for the Club.

    • bcheng
      20/06/2012

      That’s partially true, in the CSL, I think only Tianjin actually owns its stadium, the rest of the teams rent their stadiums, but they do keep at least a portion of the earnings from ticket sales (though they wouldn’t be able to keep concessions, maybe why there are so few on offer, the city’s don’t care about the money). I am 90% sure these stats are net (ie after rent is deducted).

      • Rovertlamb
        21/06/2012

        The misuse of stadiums in season for concerts is particularly a Chinese issue, but local government ownership of stadiums is not. In Japan almost all J-League stadiums are owned by city or county governments. However, the appropriation of ticketing funds to the club and the local community is far more transparent in Japan.

      • Yiddo Huayi
        21/06/2012

        Three seasons ago we had an A-League match relocated to a different city because of a late booked Bon-f*ck*n-J0vi concert. @rseholes.

    • shanghai ultra
      20/06/2012

      In Shenhua’s case that is correct, the local government own the stadium and Shenhua have to pay rent to play there. That is why in previous seasons some ACL cup games were played at Yuanshen, and why the 2008 final CSL game was moved to make way for a Kylie Minogue concert. Also it was most likely a factor in Zhu Jun’s absurd decision to play Shenhua’s CSL cup game in Anhui.

  3. Christian
    20/06/2012

    This as a case of Chicken vs the egg. If there are no flashy or entertaining players, the league will never draw any interest. Without the proper investment, the CSL will eternally remain a local league with little to no following. Albeit the numbers may not stack up right now, the recent CSL spending spree has drawn international attention, and for good or bad purposes has put the league on the map overnight. What’s more, even at home, people are now taking a larger interest in the league, whereas just 2 or 3 years ago, it was very much a sleepy football association for only the truly die hard football fans (who largely had no other choice).

    This year Shenhua increased their season ticket prices by nearly 3 times… and albeit there was a bit of grumbling at the price hike… this year in early March when it was time to buy the tickets, a noticeably higher level of excitement and anticipation was in the air (then normal from that time of year). I suspect if Drogba does join, we can anticipate an even larger increase in excitement during next years season ticket sales. So, I personally think all this hoopla is a great thing for the league… however it could be easily argued that Chinese clues jumped in a bit too soon to justify this level of spending.

    • C7
      21/06/2012

      For better or worse, footballers like Drogba coming to China is exactly what China needs…
      It will help to revive interest among the populations…it’s absurd that China has such massive population and yet has fewer registered players than Japan or England…
      It’s very obvious that the league is dying and they need marketing gimmick to heal…

      Let’s face it , most fan just want to see some famous players scoring lots of goals, that may not be what the football purist seek but most fans in the world just come for the goals…
      The clubs maybe making losses but i guess it’s a price to pay… and hopefully we can have more youngster playing football…
      It’s not China lousy performance in recent years that worries me but the low numbers of young ppl playing football…

      • bcheng
        21/06/2012

        The league is far from dying, with or without Drogba. The reason there are so few young people paying the game is connected to a lot of factors, the one child policy and the education system among them, but the success (or abject failure) of the national team and the CSL over the years is not really one of those factors.

      • C7
        21/06/2012

        i think u are not facing the hard realities…though u maybe right that there are other contributing factors not necessarily the NT performance in the international stage…
        why is it that for a country of almost 1.4 billions , there are less professional football players than Japan?
        Japan meanwhile has a rapidly shrinking/aging population with average 1/2 kids per family and the Japanese kids just as obsessed with exam – oriented education system…
        The hard truth is that the chinese kids are losing interest in football because they dun see any future prospect in NT or local clubs/overseas league…
        Ultimately, to revive the passion u need marketing surgery to the CSL by bringing in Drogba…
        It may or may not work in the future but i dun think CFA/CSL clubs has much choice..
        It’s just my opinion as an average football fan and i ‘m sure most fans are not ultras anyway…(yeah bring in Drog and we wan him to score 3 goals per match…LOL)

      • Yiddo Huayi
        22/06/2012

        It’s probably a good time to dig out the old WEF posts on “what’s wrong with footy in Zhongguo” and see how relevant they are these days (not much change I’d guess).

        From afar things seem to be rather random and opportunistic – not part of any vision or plan to grow the game.

        You can’t argue that Drogba and his dancing skills won’t raise the profile of the game and bring in more casual punters, but it’s what Shenhua and CSL/CFA do to capitalise on that that isn’t very apparent.

        Anyway – loving all the press reaction reported on this site. Good to see the cult of personality is still alive in the PRC.

        (As much as I admire his work for charridy in his home country, I am repulsed by his former blue shirt and not overly enamoured with his new blue shirt. CFA – make a team wearing lillywhite shirts and navy blue shorts and I’ll buy the genuine kit – promise!*)

        *black and yellow stripey, or black and white stripey also good.

    • Rovertlamb
      21/06/2012

      It COULD be too soon? Nearly 50% of the league salaries go to two clubs!!! A similar situation happened before…NASL New York Cosmos…where are they now? How did any of that help the US Soccer development of league, grassroots, or any other long term benefit?

      The league’s second to lowest earner in ticket revenue is handing out some of the largest salaries in the world to nearly retired foreign players. No one sees anything odd about this?

  4. teepster
    21/06/2012

    the season ticket price certainly is a value judging by the increasingly expensive talent on display. however, i think a big problem in the csl is the crappy venues for football, which are more often than not inclusive of a big, wide running track seperating the fans from the game. especially those who are seated in the ends….having those seats is like, well, like almost actually being at the game. and the away supporters are often seated somewhere enroute to mars.

    it would be nice if the csl would spend the money to develop some football-only venues, and ditch these places where a track meet is apparently expected to break out at any minute. bring the fans into the game; otherwise, the atmosphere will continue to be lacking.

    • bcheng
      21/06/2012

      It would be very nice and I’d be all for it, but it’s a pipe dream and I’ll explain why in a post in the next few days.

    • shanghai ultra
      21/06/2012

      Couldn’t agree more. Stadiums with running tracks are awful, its unfortunate that will all the money being spent on infrastructre and building projects in China, someone can’t cobble together a few soccer-specific stadiums.

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